ganip
03-18 04:01 PM
Did anyone of you use AP to come back and the name is not correct, i have a situation where my
middle name is missing one alphabet and i am worried if that would be an issue while coming back from India.
middle name is missing one alphabet and i am worried if that would be an issue while coming back from India.
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syzygy
06-15 07:57 PM
Bottomline is they do not want to give us Greencard just use us and fool us. I am sure this 485 being current is big melodramatic thing.
And it is only 1 year of filing I-485 ( can i take comfort that many others have been stuck 2 year, 3 year etc ). ANother reason why visa numbers got wasted is that many fellas got stuck in namecheck ( Ask many of the Indian/Chinese/Russian folks ).
I don't what crappy way they use to separate good from bad.
And it is only 1 year of filing I-485 ( can i take comfort that many others have been stuck 2 year, 3 year etc ). ANother reason why visa numbers got wasted is that many fellas got stuck in namecheck ( Ask many of the Indian/Chinese/Russian folks ).
I don't what crappy way they use to separate good from bad.
eb2waiter
05-14 03:05 PM
you are right. People in such situations are hesitant. But the important thing to know is you have all the rights as would a citizen or PR, to fight illegal actions.
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somegchuh
11-18 10:32 PM
Just out of curiosity how many of those 60% were citizens? I know a lot of friends who have put in extra 5 years to get the citizenship.
I think aging parents is probably the biggest and valid concern a lot of ppl have.
I think there are plenty of people who always planned to go back .. the GC /USC was just a career advancement tool for these people. In fact, a survey of US returnees to India after 2000 shows that the majority (around 60%) were USCs/ GC holders, which is clearly an indication that the relocation was by choice rather than any immigration issues.
And finally, many of us have family issues like taking care of aged parents which either makes the re-location inevitable or in some cases may coincide with career goals.
I have seen that most ppl who have been here for over 5 years have almost fallen in love with the possibilities. They talk about going back to take advantage of the booming growth but very few actually do go back.
Or maybe some of us came here precisely for the reasons you mention, seeking greener pastures but fell in love with the openness, informality and the possibilities here .
I think aging parents is probably the biggest and valid concern a lot of ppl have.
I think there are plenty of people who always planned to go back .. the GC /USC was just a career advancement tool for these people. In fact, a survey of US returnees to India after 2000 shows that the majority (around 60%) were USCs/ GC holders, which is clearly an indication that the relocation was by choice rather than any immigration issues.
And finally, many of us have family issues like taking care of aged parents which either makes the re-location inevitable or in some cases may coincide with career goals.
I have seen that most ppl who have been here for over 5 years have almost fallen in love with the possibilities. They talk about going back to take advantage of the booming growth but very few actually do go back.
Or maybe some of us came here precisely for the reasons you mention, seeking greener pastures but fell in love with the openness, informality and the possibilities here .
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GoGreen
12-17 11:45 AM
I have sold some items in eBay in the past, If I rememver correctly, when I sold something for $10 and the buyer made a paypal payment, paypal took $1.5 as fees.
So if you are making $20, only $17 goes to IV, IF the amount is >=50 I believe the fees is much lesser (like 5%) so more money goes to IV instead of making paypal rich.
So if you are making $20, only $17 goes to IV, IF the amount is >=50 I believe the fees is much lesser (like 5%) so more money goes to IV instead of making paypal rich.
desidas
02-01 01:49 PM
Logiclife,
Below is a recent story on travel on AP. I see many posts where folks are asked at POE by CBP offcials if they are still working from the petitioning employer.
Can you advise why CBP officers are even asking to several AP travellers if they are still working for the GC petitioning employer?
My situation: I am not working for the petitioning employer anymore and dont have an attorney as well and so need to get prepared to answer the CBP officails why i am not working for the petitioning employer at POE and you know, CBP officails dont understand AC-21 etc
Please read below.
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japs19
Junior Member Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 22
My story...
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I feel like sharing mine as mine is the most horrifying.
After scanning my expired H-1 and reviewing my AP, I was sent to "secondary check" where they ask you few questions and verify the authenticity of the documents.
I was asked if I work for the original petitioner? I said no, currently I work for another employer. I showed them my H-1 approval (I-797). The CBP officer was about to stamp my AP and he was told by a "side-kick" that I have to be employed at the same employer otherwise what is the guarantee that I will go and work for that employer. I calmly explained the fact that GC is for future employment and per AC-21 I can change after 180 days. The CBP officer said wait here and then he walked in to some room. He returned after 20 minutes and I was told to go and wait and other officer will take care of the situation. From one officer to another and another to another. I was asked if I am trying to do any fraud. Finally after 5 hours of questioning, I somewhat lost my temper and told them that either send me back to home country or let me go. So after making few phone calls, they concluded that they don't have access to all my records on their system and it is very gray situation so the office in downtown will take care of the situation.
They took my passport, AP, H-1 approval letter and told me to go to downtown office after 30 days and they will decide what to do.
My lawyer was kind enough to accompany me as she was also upset with their act. When I went there, we were rudely asked completely out of place questions which had nothing to do with whose employer I work for or anything and I was told that "I" confused CBP officers by showing AP and H-1 and I should have just shown them AP and everything would have been fine. I am the culprit and I choose to get myself in trouble.....
I said nothing and just saw him stamping my AP and walked out. I don't know what to conclude out of it. But A friend of mine had valid H-1 and AP and they asked "has any one applied for AOS for you?" he said yes. They asked him to show 485 and AP if he had and same story,,,one officer to another and another to another which lasted for 3 hours and finally his H-1 was stamped.
So, again I am not sure what they are trying to get out of this but this is happening at the airport. I am not trying to scare anyone but just be prepared to deal with such situation and keep in mind that you are not doing any fraud and keep the honesty.
Below is a recent story on travel on AP. I see many posts where folks are asked at POE by CBP offcials if they are still working from the petitioning employer.
Can you advise why CBP officers are even asking to several AP travellers if they are still working for the GC petitioning employer?
My situation: I am not working for the petitioning employer anymore and dont have an attorney as well and so need to get prepared to answer the CBP officails why i am not working for the petitioning employer at POE and you know, CBP officails dont understand AC-21 etc
Please read below.
================================================== =
japs19
Junior Member Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 22
My story...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I feel like sharing mine as mine is the most horrifying.
After scanning my expired H-1 and reviewing my AP, I was sent to "secondary check" where they ask you few questions and verify the authenticity of the documents.
I was asked if I work for the original petitioner? I said no, currently I work for another employer. I showed them my H-1 approval (I-797). The CBP officer was about to stamp my AP and he was told by a "side-kick" that I have to be employed at the same employer otherwise what is the guarantee that I will go and work for that employer. I calmly explained the fact that GC is for future employment and per AC-21 I can change after 180 days. The CBP officer said wait here and then he walked in to some room. He returned after 20 minutes and I was told to go and wait and other officer will take care of the situation. From one officer to another and another to another. I was asked if I am trying to do any fraud. Finally after 5 hours of questioning, I somewhat lost my temper and told them that either send me back to home country or let me go. So after making few phone calls, they concluded that they don't have access to all my records on their system and it is very gray situation so the office in downtown will take care of the situation.
They took my passport, AP, H-1 approval letter and told me to go to downtown office after 30 days and they will decide what to do.
My lawyer was kind enough to accompany me as she was also upset with their act. When I went there, we were rudely asked completely out of place questions which had nothing to do with whose employer I work for or anything and I was told that "I" confused CBP officers by showing AP and H-1 and I should have just shown them AP and everything would have been fine. I am the culprit and I choose to get myself in trouble.....
I said nothing and just saw him stamping my AP and walked out. I don't know what to conclude out of it. But A friend of mine had valid H-1 and AP and they asked "has any one applied for AOS for you?" he said yes. They asked him to show 485 and AP if he had and same story,,,one officer to another and another to another which lasted for 3 hours and finally his H-1 was stamped.
So, again I am not sure what they are trying to get out of this but this is happening at the airport. I am not trying to scare anyone but just be prepared to deal with such situation and keep in mind that you are not doing any fraud and keep the honesty.
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charlotte-gc
03-17 04:33 PM
Guys - I have 2 sets of questions:
1. Case 1: Re-enter on AP with a valid H1-B visa till Oct 2010 (not stamped in Passport though). What status do I have (AOS or H1-B)? This is assuming that I work for the same GC sponsoring employer. I currently have 3 copies of AP (and 3 for my wife) - will I have to turn in all 3 of them at the POE? I have read that the Immigration Officers keep 2 of the 3 APs and return one back to you. The I-94 is stamped for 1 year - what do I do after a year? Do I have to renew my AP every year to maintain my status in the US?
2. Case II: Re-enter on AP (not working for sponsoring employer - using AC 21) - Is this safe? How does one explain AC21 to the Immigration Officer..how should one answer the question: 'Who is your current employer?'
thanks in advance!
charlotte-gc
1. Case 1: Re-enter on AP with a valid H1-B visa till Oct 2010 (not stamped in Passport though). What status do I have (AOS or H1-B)? This is assuming that I work for the same GC sponsoring employer. I currently have 3 copies of AP (and 3 for my wife) - will I have to turn in all 3 of them at the POE? I have read that the Immigration Officers keep 2 of the 3 APs and return one back to you. The I-94 is stamped for 1 year - what do I do after a year? Do I have to renew my AP every year to maintain my status in the US?
2. Case II: Re-enter on AP (not working for sponsoring employer - using AC 21) - Is this safe? How does one explain AC21 to the Immigration Officer..how should one answer the question: 'Who is your current employer?'
thanks in advance!
charlotte-gc
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07-22 01:29 AM
I-485 mailed on 7/13/2007
Reached USCIC Nebraska - 7/16/2007
PD:Aug 2004/EB2/CA
Receipt: waiting
Reached USCIC Nebraska - 7/16/2007
PD:Aug 2004/EB2/CA
Receipt: waiting
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gcformeornot
02-15 09:45 AM
that something is done to stop abuse of employees. I think they should also look at L1 visa also. There is no salary stipulation for L1. Companies pay what ever they want..... place L1 holders where ever they want....
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fullerene
07-21 10:09 AM
We need to heavily bomb our senators by letters and phone calls. Although most of people here are busy filing all the documents, please take a time to call/write THREE senators:
Sen Cornyn, John. Thank and encourage him keep up the issue
Two senators in your state. Thank and encourage one(s) who support us. Ask for explanations for senator(s) who said "Nay" also ask them why they vote yes for CIS, but now for this bill.
Again,
If a broken system is not able to process a million applicants with full of immigration documents, how can it manage 12 million applicants without any paperwork even passports?
If a broken system is not able to process a million applicants in the US with temporary visas, how can it manage millions of applicants all of worlds who meet merit point requirements?
So if the existing broken system is not be fixed, CIR wont be feasilbe unless the government decides to abandon all the necessary evaluate procedures.
Sen Cornyn, John. Thank and encourage him keep up the issue
Two senators in your state. Thank and encourage one(s) who support us. Ask for explanations for senator(s) who said "Nay" also ask them why they vote yes for CIS, but now for this bill.
Again,
If a broken system is not able to process a million applicants with full of immigration documents, how can it manage 12 million applicants without any paperwork even passports?
If a broken system is not able to process a million applicants in the US with temporary visas, how can it manage millions of applicants all of worlds who meet merit point requirements?
So if the existing broken system is not be fixed, CIR wont be feasilbe unless the government decides to abandon all the necessary evaluate procedures.
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06-24 11:29 AM
My views:
I have not heard of any case, where they rejected an application because the "payable to" name was an issue.
We need an expert who knows how check processing works between 2 physical people, in our case, we people and USCIS and then later between the 2 banks, in our case, our banks and USCIS's bank.
Another example: My company accepts checks under a full name and also if paid using an abbreviated name. But thats because we have told our bank to accept such checks.
USCIS must have also done the same thing, they must have informed their banks too. All they are trying to do is TRAIN all people in the US, to write checks to only 1 name which is "US department of homeland security", because thats their umbrella organisation. It will take people some time to learn about the new change. But they wont reject applications because of that, unless there is a big difference. I am sure they will accept checks if you say "USCIS" or its full form. Money is going, finally, to the same place.
Most important bottom line : If they plan to reject applications if check names were not accurate, they are legally supposed to write that in the instructions that they will do so. If they themselves are confused they will issue an RFE or something and request you to send a proper check.
THEY SIMPLY WONT REJECT.
LAWYERS are SIMPLY WAITING FOR SUCH THINGS TO HAPPEN.
So people stop panicking. Dont worry.
Give your self 1-2 weeks and keep checking bank and call USCIS.
Bottom line for people who are yet to file : DO EXACTLY AS WRITTEN in the INSTRUCTIONS. IF you lose concentration and dont do things correctly, these tensions arise. FIND TIME AND READ READ READ.
Sorry if I sound rude.
I have not heard of any case, where they rejected an application because the "payable to" name was an issue.
We need an expert who knows how check processing works between 2 physical people, in our case, we people and USCIS and then later between the 2 banks, in our case, our banks and USCIS's bank.
Another example: My company accepts checks under a full name and also if paid using an abbreviated name. But thats because we have told our bank to accept such checks.
USCIS must have also done the same thing, they must have informed their banks too. All they are trying to do is TRAIN all people in the US, to write checks to only 1 name which is "US department of homeland security", because thats their umbrella organisation. It will take people some time to learn about the new change. But they wont reject applications because of that, unless there is a big difference. I am sure they will accept checks if you say "USCIS" or its full form. Money is going, finally, to the same place.
Most important bottom line : If they plan to reject applications if check names were not accurate, they are legally supposed to write that in the instructions that they will do so. If they themselves are confused they will issue an RFE or something and request you to send a proper check.
THEY SIMPLY WONT REJECT.
LAWYERS are SIMPLY WAITING FOR SUCH THINGS TO HAPPEN.
So people stop panicking. Dont worry.
Give your self 1-2 weeks and keep checking bank and call USCIS.
Bottom line for people who are yet to file : DO EXACTLY AS WRITTEN in the INSTRUCTIONS. IF you lose concentration and dont do things correctly, these tensions arise. FIND TIME AND READ READ READ.
Sorry if I sound rude.
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sanju
04-29 06:02 PM
Best way is some of the provisions in Durbin bill to restrict some abuse. Only bad thing in Durbin bill is it is banning consulting with H1bs. Other than this provision everything is good. Instead of opposing the entire bill it is better to oppose only that section.
Here this is what your views are
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You know what this is?
This is your tunnel vision....
You have no clue about the implication of Durin bill but you seem to think that your tunnel vision is the wisdom of the gospel, the entirety of all solutions to all the problems.
Do you take your child to graveyard when your child is sick? Or do you take your child to a doctor? Durbin Grassley bill is taking H-1B program to the graveyard. But that's ok, let's all subscribe to your tunnel vision and support Durin bill..... If that passes, within one year you will come back to some forum and say that this is the worst thing to happen for this community. But again, that's ok, lets all use this.... The Tunnel Vision.
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You have victory flowing all through your veins... good!!!!
Here this is what your views are
___________________________________
___________________________________
You know what this is?
This is your tunnel vision....
You have no clue about the implication of Durin bill but you seem to think that your tunnel vision is the wisdom of the gospel, the entirety of all solutions to all the problems.
Do you take your child to graveyard when your child is sick? Or do you take your child to a doctor? Durbin Grassley bill is taking H-1B program to the graveyard. But that's ok, let's all subscribe to your tunnel vision and support Durin bill..... If that passes, within one year you will come back to some forum and say that this is the worst thing to happen for this community. But again, that's ok, lets all use this.... The Tunnel Vision.
___________________________________
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You have victory flowing all through your veins... good!!!!
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sanju
01-15 11:36 AM
I agree - these are things that have to be taken very seriously.
I am also hearing that desi houses are being targeted in New Jersey as ZDesis have jewelery in houses.
Akshay was one of us and I feel saddened to read this news.
However, this violent act could possibly be a sign of tough economy. Although, the problem is, any attack on an "India" immigrant is covered by stupid of all NDTV and times of Iindia et al. How many people died in India because of violence yesterday in India? Anybody knows that number? Anybody? NDTV? TOI? None. Noe one cares. The United Stupid of the Media don't care and don't cover that news. NDTV is just trying to get more people to click on their webiste and read their news. And people people will fall in that trap if the headline reads like 'Indian Technie was killed in a violent attack'. People from the subcontinent will then click on the news.
The reality is, if you do math, and find out the % of population of "Legal Immigrants" if that is your concern, the crime on "Legal Immigrants" is lesser as compared to the crime involving attacks on natives. If your concern is that crime on "Indian Techie", then you can do the math and find out the % of population of "Indian Technie" to the other demography of the population, the crime on "Indian Techie" is less as compared to the crime involving attacks on any other demography. So this "news" style is flawed and "educated" people could use caution when subscribing to the conclusion of the news artiles we read, just as we should use caution reading any religious book. This cautionary practice of not subscribing to a viewpoint, just because it showed up in the newspaper or because it is written in a "book" by someone in the past, in my opinion differentiates between "an educated who went to school" and "an uneducated who went to school".
The reason for my writing this is, very soon you will see an article on NDTV with the deadlines something like - "200% increase in the crime against Indian techie" because last year 2 Indian techies died and this year that number jumped to 4. And everyone will read that news formulating an opinion that India techies are slaughtered on the streets of AR, and some will say AR and detriot is a very dangerous place to visit. And such opinion is as wrong as the opinion which suggests other for not going to Mumbai because there was a terrorist attack in Mumbai last November.
We should use caution with falling in the trap of the reporter/news media and not perceive the news what the news media wants us to understand, and maybe treat the news just the way the news is. That's all.
.
I am also hearing that desi houses are being targeted in New Jersey as ZDesis have jewelery in houses.
Akshay was one of us and I feel saddened to read this news.
However, this violent act could possibly be a sign of tough economy. Although, the problem is, any attack on an "India" immigrant is covered by stupid of all NDTV and times of Iindia et al. How many people died in India because of violence yesterday in India? Anybody knows that number? Anybody? NDTV? TOI? None. Noe one cares. The United Stupid of the Media don't care and don't cover that news. NDTV is just trying to get more people to click on their webiste and read their news. And people people will fall in that trap if the headline reads like 'Indian Technie was killed in a violent attack'. People from the subcontinent will then click on the news.
The reality is, if you do math, and find out the % of population of "Legal Immigrants" if that is your concern, the crime on "Legal Immigrants" is lesser as compared to the crime involving attacks on natives. If your concern is that crime on "Indian Techie", then you can do the math and find out the % of population of "Indian Technie" to the other demography of the population, the crime on "Indian Techie" is less as compared to the crime involving attacks on any other demography. So this "news" style is flawed and "educated" people could use caution when subscribing to the conclusion of the news artiles we read, just as we should use caution reading any religious book. This cautionary practice of not subscribing to a viewpoint, just because it showed up in the newspaper or because it is written in a "book" by someone in the past, in my opinion differentiates between "an educated who went to school" and "an uneducated who went to school".
The reason for my writing this is, very soon you will see an article on NDTV with the deadlines something like - "200% increase in the crime against Indian techie" because last year 2 Indian techies died and this year that number jumped to 4. And everyone will read that news formulating an opinion that India techies are slaughtered on the streets of AR, and some will say AR and detriot is a very dangerous place to visit. And such opinion is as wrong as the opinion which suggests other for not going to Mumbai because there was a terrorist attack in Mumbai last November.
We should use caution with falling in the trap of the reporter/news media and not perceive the news what the news media wants us to understand, and maybe treat the news just the way the news is. That's all.
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ganguteli
04-01 10:55 PM
Why are trying to wake up folks who are pretending that they are sleeping?
Let them pretend.
This was the same guy who said FOIA can be hung on wall like an art frame because he does not need the data. He does not care a rat's ass if you care about the data or not. When I mentioned that FOIA can also be used for making a presentation to the lawmakers on how deep the retrogression is, FOIA is ok and good. Because, it will possibly benefit him
Me! Me! Me! Me! Alllll ME!
Give me my GC IV! I will give you 25-50$ depending on my mood. What ever!
In his latest post he said he owns 8 houses in USA.
.... and cannot even contribute $25!! But wants everyone to hear his whines on the forum. Dude if you are serious then show it in your deeds.
Let them pretend.
This was the same guy who said FOIA can be hung on wall like an art frame because he does not need the data. He does not care a rat's ass if you care about the data or not. When I mentioned that FOIA can also be used for making a presentation to the lawmakers on how deep the retrogression is, FOIA is ok and good. Because, it will possibly benefit him
Me! Me! Me! Me! Alllll ME!
Give me my GC IV! I will give you 25-50$ depending on my mood. What ever!
In his latest post he said he owns 8 houses in USA.
.... and cannot even contribute $25!! But wants everyone to hear his whines on the forum. Dude if you are serious then show it in your deeds.
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va_dude
05-27 03:47 PM
The only reason i feel this so called "family-bill" will not generate too much anti-immigrant sentiment is because it doesn't have the baggage of being termed the CIR bill.
The very mention of the word CIR stirs up strong responses and emotions from all parties involved.
This bill seems to tackle a smaller problem rather than going for a big bang solution that the CIR would attempt. That's why i felt it might have a better chance to succeed.
Thanks for all the other info. Much appreciated.
The very mention of the word CIR stirs up strong responses and emotions from all parties involved.
This bill seems to tackle a smaller problem rather than going for a big bang solution that the CIR would attempt. That's why i felt it might have a better chance to succeed.
Thanks for all the other info. Much appreciated.
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saimrathi
07-10 09:16 AM
Yes, flight to DC would have been then recovered from USCIS in the lawsuit against them.. :)
We have a few people making their way to USCIS - so we should know in sometime.
Actually when I say a few, there are probably only 3 or 4. Even after working the phones, emails and private messages, we could not get too many DC area members to help out.
If I have one regret for this campaign it is that I should have booked my flight tickets to DC - it would have been just so exciting to have such a good opportunity to voice our issues and concerns.
We have a few people making their way to USCIS - so we should know in sometime.
Actually when I say a few, there are probably only 3 or 4. Even after working the phones, emails and private messages, we could not get too many DC area members to help out.
If I have one regret for this campaign it is that I should have booked my flight tickets to DC - it would have been just so exciting to have such a good opportunity to voice our issues and concerns.
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nonimmi
09-18 02:04 PM
I don't agree with you.
While we are waiting for GC,What options we have in US ? How to use our time more effectively instead of worrying too much ? This is what we were discussiing. It is indirectly related to immigration.
Take it easy Man.....Don't worry too much about the content !
Yeaaah sure.
Mr. Reddy and labor 2002 can continue this real estate investments discussion and more like - child care, 401k, spouse selection and what not!!
And when it comes to **more** private matters guys plsssssss move to private room as not all of us can take it happily.
Cheers!!
While we are waiting for GC,What options we have in US ? How to use our time more effectively instead of worrying too much ? This is what we were discussiing. It is indirectly related to immigration.
Take it easy Man.....Don't worry too much about the content !
Yeaaah sure.
Mr. Reddy and labor 2002 can continue this real estate investments discussion and more like - child care, 401k, spouse selection and what not!!
And when it comes to **more** private matters guys plsssssss move to private room as not all of us can take it happily.
Cheers!!
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krishmunn
05-10 10:07 AM
So the question still remains. Which is better school for MS with a little lesser load on the pocket.
I wonder why every dicussion has to take a E2 vs E3, regional discrimination and other such things. Can't we have a proper engaging, fruitful discussion on any topic. Learn to respect and appreciate others. In God's scheme of things nobody is greater or smaller.
Good luck.
If someone is looking for a Masters just to upgrade to EB2, any accredited program will do. Verify the accreditation (of school and program) using the link which I posted earlier
I wonder why every dicussion has to take a E2 vs E3, regional discrimination and other such things. Can't we have a proper engaging, fruitful discussion on any topic. Learn to respect and appreciate others. In God's scheme of things nobody is greater or smaller.
Good luck.
If someone is looking for a Masters just to upgrade to EB2, any accredited program will do. Verify the accreditation (of school and program) using the link which I posted earlier
BharatPremi
10-11 03:48 PM
BharatPremi,
Looks like we are in minority :)
"Oye, PavanV", Do not worry. I believe in "Sawa Lakh se Ek Ladaun Tab Gobind Singh Naam Kahaun". :)
Looks like we are in minority :)
"Oye, PavanV", Do not worry. I believe in "Sawa Lakh se Ek Ladaun Tab Gobind Singh Naam Kahaun". :)
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