pappu
05-31 10:09 AM
FAQs for Dc advocacy days
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1597944-advocacy-days-frequently-asked-questions.html#post1961366
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1597944-advocacy-days-frequently-asked-questions.html#post1961366
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roseball
02-06 03:50 PM
Vinod,
This is the thread that was created by administrator.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/1059335-announcement-iv-would-like-to-help-with-ac21-cases.html#post1409417
You can try posting there or you can contact administrator.
Do keep us in the loop on what happens.
I would also check if your original GC sponsoring employer (Company A) is not involved in any fraud investigations by USCIS. In which case, USCIS can revoke an approved I-140 without any notice on the basis of fraud, which would automatically lead to your I-485 denial. I-140 online status may or may not change in such cases. Your case being in extended review is raising some flags. Do you know anything about the kind of extended review that was going on. Your lawyer on file, as well as you should get a copy of the notice. Make sure no communication was sent to the lawyer from Company A. Sometimes USCIS does not update the lawyer information even though a new G-28 is submitted. You will have to just wait for the denial notice. Send an email to info at immigrationvoice dot com so IV can get in touch with you to help.
This is the thread that was created by administrator.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum16-iv-agenda-and-legislative-updates/1059335-announcement-iv-would-like-to-help-with-ac21-cases.html#post1409417
You can try posting there or you can contact administrator.
Do keep us in the loop on what happens.
I would also check if your original GC sponsoring employer (Company A) is not involved in any fraud investigations by USCIS. In which case, USCIS can revoke an approved I-140 without any notice on the basis of fraud, which would automatically lead to your I-485 denial. I-140 online status may or may not change in such cases. Your case being in extended review is raising some flags. Do you know anything about the kind of extended review that was going on. Your lawyer on file, as well as you should get a copy of the notice. Make sure no communication was sent to the lawyer from Company A. Sometimes USCIS does not update the lawyer information even though a new G-28 is submitted. You will have to just wait for the denial notice. Send an email to info at immigrationvoice dot com so IV can get in touch with you to help.
memyselfandus
08-14 07:17 AM
This is my first message after so long time...
USCIS stoped issuing interim EAD before years... We just been to local office this Monday and they said they don't issue it any more..
Do you have offical link to this memo??
Here is the official link
http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/2yrEAD_FAQ_061208.pdf
USCIS stoped issuing interim EAD before years... We just been to local office this Monday and they said they don't issue it any more..
Do you have offical link to this memo??
Here is the official link
http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/2yrEAD_FAQ_061208.pdf
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aadimanav
08-22 02:27 PM
Yes I have receipt the Receipt. Reached the 485 on July 2, 07. Finger Printing notice already receipt.. due in first week Sep. You can check online status here:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
What is ur priority date
....The online status says 485 received and pending." means?
Did you apply 485 in August 07 and already your status is showing pending? Did you receive a receipt notice?
Please enlighten ?
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
What is ur priority date
....The online status says 485 received and pending." means?
Did you apply 485 in August 07 and already your status is showing pending? Did you receive a receipt notice?
Please enlighten ?
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NH123
07-27 10:58 AM
Is it possible to start a business on H1-B.Will there be any issues when i will file my 485.Can i give my Residential address as a contact address for the parent company which is in India ?Althoguh the income will not be generated on my name but will there be any issues in giving my Home address as point of contact ?Thanks in advance
ksrk
08-26 08:37 PM
I guess the polling on PD basis is futile it will give people false hope....
Only folks with ND prior to current processing times can expect to have a chance at appoval...I see many people over here beyond the processing date window and are still hoping to get approved....
Let's see if this theory is right or not come september.....if only my lawyer had mentioned that ND over rides PD I'd have forced him to file on July 2nd and not wait till July end....
My bad....
SoP
Hey SoP,
Your point of ND vs. RD (vs. PD even) is certainly valid, esp. given the randomness of dates that the USCIS follows. However, three things to keep in mind are -
1. Last Aug and Sept ('08), neither ND nor RD theories worked, if you believed all the dates entered under .com. Approvals were quite random - some cases with ND beyond published dates were approved, which led us to believe they were processing in order of RD, but no FIFO was followed based on RD.
2. The dates published recently (09/15/2007 at NSC and 08/30/2007 at TSC) are as of June 30, 2009. It has been nearly two months since and an update is possible. Also, by admission of the USCIS, these dates are not exact, only estimates of what cases are being worked on.
3. Finally, these dates do not serve as guidance for IO to approve cases; they serve as an indication to us applicants as to which cases have been processed thus far. And they help determine if we can file an SR.
Only folks with ND prior to current processing times can expect to have a chance at appoval...I see many people over here beyond the processing date window and are still hoping to get approved....
Let's see if this theory is right or not come september.....if only my lawyer had mentioned that ND over rides PD I'd have forced him to file on July 2nd and not wait till July end....
My bad....
SoP
Hey SoP,
Your point of ND vs. RD (vs. PD even) is certainly valid, esp. given the randomness of dates that the USCIS follows. However, three things to keep in mind are -
1. Last Aug and Sept ('08), neither ND nor RD theories worked, if you believed all the dates entered under .com. Approvals were quite random - some cases with ND beyond published dates were approved, which led us to believe they were processing in order of RD, but no FIFO was followed based on RD.
2. The dates published recently (09/15/2007 at NSC and 08/30/2007 at TSC) are as of June 30, 2009. It has been nearly two months since and an update is possible. Also, by admission of the USCIS, these dates are not exact, only estimates of what cases are being worked on.
3. Finally, these dates do not serve as guidance for IO to approve cases; they serve as an indication to us applicants as to which cases have been processed thus far. And they help determine if we can file an SR.
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r2i2009
05-01 07:56 PM
Actually...with India growing up fast....i do not know if I am wasting time here.....want to go back .....
If there is no growth in India...then it makes sense to stay here....
life could be with problems much worse than this, giving up soo easily?
:)
Senior's waiting for 7+ years should be an inspiration for you. Cheer up.
If there is no growth in India...then it makes sense to stay here....
life could be with problems much worse than this, giving up soo easily?
:)
Senior's waiting for 7+ years should be an inspiration for you. Cheer up.
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yabadaba
06-28 12:51 PM
good...looks like they are taking proactive steps to handle the loadssssss of 485s that will be filed.
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krish2005
04-03 11:27 PM
At least it relieves some tensions when we do the predictions. These are vents for those who have been in the queue long time waiting for the Golden card (GC). Well, some of them would be sore on the looonnnng process.
We know that the relief is short lived once the bulletin come out.
Same things have been circling on and off.
Why should'nt EB3 move? EB2 alone need not move. The more things move in the immigration front, the more we could expect that they are trying to support the program than bust it.
Hopes alive.
Krish
We know that the relief is short lived once the bulletin come out.
Same things have been circling on and off.
Why should'nt EB3 move? EB2 alone need not move. The more things move in the immigration front, the more we could expect that they are trying to support the program than bust it.
Hopes alive.
Krish
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11-08 04:45 PM
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learning01
03-27 10:33 AM
can we get live or recorded audio or video? C-spna should be doing it? Can anyone comment ? Thanks. We will provide a link (and of course ask to join IV and ask them to make contributions).
Thanks to the efforts of everyone at IV and QGA, we have the golden opportunity for a member of IV to actually testify before Congress. No kidding!
Thanks to the efforts of everyone at IV and QGA, we have the golden opportunity for a member of IV to actually testify before Congress. No kidding!
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mikesin
04-07 08:11 PM
Thanks just4gc for giving me the coveted vdlrao post. I must say the ages spent analysing Visa bulletins statistics and congressional testimonials of Charles Oppenhiem have finally borne fruit ;).
I guess Illusions beat me to the prediction. I must confess I havent spent a lot of time looking at Eb3 ROW. But even then I was surprised when it stayed at May 05 for as long as it did. The Backlog Reduction Centre stuck labor, the horizontal spillover, the Eb2 India backlog are few factors for why I was surprised.
I would say dont lose hope on Eb3 ROW, but until Eb2 India backlog stays it will be slow movement except as illusions pointed out in july 09. Last VB mentioned 60% of the demand recieved is before jan 2004. Thats pointing to the older BRC cases which are now seeing the end of the tunnel. fingers crossed.
ags123,
I'm confused about the way the spill over works. Does it not go from EB1-ROW => EB2-ROW => EB3-ROW? Your post suggests that EB2-I gets the ROW spill overs before EB3-ROW. Is this the way it works? Sorry for the questions as I'm trying to understand how this works. Thanks for your response.
I guess Illusions beat me to the prediction. I must confess I havent spent a lot of time looking at Eb3 ROW. But even then I was surprised when it stayed at May 05 for as long as it did. The Backlog Reduction Centre stuck labor, the horizontal spillover, the Eb2 India backlog are few factors for why I was surprised.
I would say dont lose hope on Eb3 ROW, but until Eb2 India backlog stays it will be slow movement except as illusions pointed out in july 09. Last VB mentioned 60% of the demand recieved is before jan 2004. Thats pointing to the older BRC cases which are now seeing the end of the tunnel. fingers crossed.
ags123,
I'm confused about the way the spill over works. Does it not go from EB1-ROW => EB2-ROW => EB3-ROW? Your post suggests that EB2-I gets the ROW spill overs before EB3-ROW. Is this the way it works? Sorry for the questions as I'm trying to understand how this works. Thanks for your response.
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casinoroyale
08-27 09:34 AM
1) 2-passport size photographs with your A#, name written on the back.
2) Letter justifying the need for AP.
3) Copy of I-485 receipt
4) Copy of old AP.
5) Copy of Passport information page (or) DL
6) Copy of Confirmation notice of e-file.
please post the list of document required for E-file AP ?
thanks
2) Letter justifying the need for AP.
3) Copy of I-485 receipt
4) Copy of old AP.
5) Copy of Passport information page (or) DL
6) Copy of Confirmation notice of e-file.
please post the list of document required for E-file AP ?
thanks
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04-21 03:29 PM
Mother fucker I am not married and I dont have kids.
And I thought I should give the forum website a visit in the afternoon during my tea break to see in what sort of disarray it is in. Not surprised, I am not surprised. :(
And I thought I should give the forum website a visit in the afternoon during my tea break to see in what sort of disarray it is in. Not surprised, I am not surprised. :(
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BharatPremi
09-20 05:46 PM
Not entirely true, I switched job a couple of months ago - filed for AC21. I got an acknowledgment from USCIS for the same - stating that it will be added to my file, to be reviewed when my application is processed.
Then you are a special case to USCIS. In my whole "GC career", you are the first case I am hearing about having AC21 related notification from USCIS.
Chandu's comments are entirely truthful and your case is the special one as USCIS really does not have any sysem to account or to notify related with AC21 usage.
Then you are a special case to USCIS. In my whole "GC career", you are the first case I am hearing about having AC21 related notification from USCIS.
Chandu's comments are entirely truthful and your case is the special one as USCIS really does not have any sysem to account or to notify related with AC21 usage.
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BECsufferer
10-11 10:59 AM
Are you kidding us? I do not know what level of education you have achieved so far in your life but it looks like you are not enough educated to differentiate between the definitions of permanent residency, citizenship and perhaps working on work visa as far as legal stay in USA by outsider is concerned.
What would be the "legal" reply from US Supreme court,if you ask US supreme court that whether citizen of other country can call US president a "My president"? . And What would be the "legal" reply from Supreme court of country A,if you ask that whether citizen of country A can call US president a "his/her president"?
USA expects someone to abide by the land of the law while s/he come to US to work legally. And what is expected legally is one is not involved in "Anti USA" activity whatsoever it may be.USA legally never expects citizen of other country "to love" or "show fidelity" towards USA when s/he is still the citizen of other country.
PavanV is right in his argument, in a sense, that when some person is citizen of country A at this moment his/her fidelity naturally must be for his/her country A. This is the legally expected human behaviour in every society and country. It would have been perfectly o.k. and "legal" about rsharma's statement if he would have already been US citizen at the time when he stated what he stated.
Such ridiculous, unnatural, premature, unethical and spineless behaviour can only be shown by the people who are already morally sold.
First of all when somebody comes here in USA on work visa, s/he has come on invitation from USA base legal employer's willingness and is ethically, legally and morally obligated to provide professional class and quality of work for what s/he is hired. Nothing more or less is legally expected by USA and employment system within USA. USA and its whole society is well aware that these persons are citizen of other countries and so they never expects any kind of fidelity from them at least "legally" and at the same time they even do not grant the rights what US citizen nornmally have. Now out of that bunch many people prefer to go for permanent residency as permanent residency bring little bit stability in living and flexibility in employment and international travel. If one becomes a permanent resident of USA then also USA still only expects that person abide by the law of the land and do not involve in "anti USA" activity. It still does not expect "fidelity" towards USA in legal sense.There is no legal or social or political or any kind of pressure from USA or any governmental or non governmental institutes within USA on any particular person coming from other country to become its citizen. One can stay on permanent residency forever till death(At least based on current prevalent law) and legally work and s/he does not have to become a citizen for working legally. And I do not know about other countries but in India it is not considered "illegal" and/or "unpatriotic" to go in other country(Except Pakistan and Bangladesh) for legal work so coming to USA for legal work whether on work visa or becoming a permanent resident in USA while maintaining Indian citizenship simultaneously is not unpatriotic or illegal. Simultaneously USA's legal system allows an Indian to remain as citizen of India while residing in USA permanently for legal work.
Now if somebody decides to become a US citizen, there is nothing wrong in that. I do not see anything wrong when rsharma states that "I have decided to become US citizen in future". But if he is mature and human enough then his fidelity at this moment should be towards India (Assuming he is a citizen of India currently) as he is a citizen of India at this moment. Showing this kind of behaviour perhaps may not be a outright unpatriotic in terms of "Indianness" but it certanily signals probable but strong disloyality towards India.
And I do not think that USA citizens are that naive that they consider the people "not mingled" if citizen of other country do not call USA president a "My president" while holding the citizenship of other country.
If calling US president a "My President" by non citizens would be the barometer of "mixing" / "mingling" then USA would not be today's USA. So please do not kid USA and us .
Dude people like you are what irritates me. You guys want best of both countries without taking resposibility for either one. If your heart truly goes for "bharat maa" than why are you wasting your precious life serving American Corporations? your "bharat maa" is still 3rd world country and rift with many challanges that you could have worked upon to elivate it from. But you preffred to apply for GC and no where is it written that your getting GC would make "bharat maa" proud or rid her off her miseries.
Sorry, but I prefer to call a spade a spade. And I take side with country, that I might not be citizen of yet, but has given me what I could have never achieved in my life back in India. I am thankful to this country and look forward proudly to becoming citizen of USA.
So, God bless America !
What would be the "legal" reply from US Supreme court,if you ask US supreme court that whether citizen of other country can call US president a "My president"? . And What would be the "legal" reply from Supreme court of country A,if you ask that whether citizen of country A can call US president a "his/her president"?
USA expects someone to abide by the land of the law while s/he come to US to work legally. And what is expected legally is one is not involved in "Anti USA" activity whatsoever it may be.USA legally never expects citizen of other country "to love" or "show fidelity" towards USA when s/he is still the citizen of other country.
PavanV is right in his argument, in a sense, that when some person is citizen of country A at this moment his/her fidelity naturally must be for his/her country A. This is the legally expected human behaviour in every society and country. It would have been perfectly o.k. and "legal" about rsharma's statement if he would have already been US citizen at the time when he stated what he stated.
Such ridiculous, unnatural, premature, unethical and spineless behaviour can only be shown by the people who are already morally sold.
First of all when somebody comes here in USA on work visa, s/he has come on invitation from USA base legal employer's willingness and is ethically, legally and morally obligated to provide professional class and quality of work for what s/he is hired. Nothing more or less is legally expected by USA and employment system within USA. USA and its whole society is well aware that these persons are citizen of other countries and so they never expects any kind of fidelity from them at least "legally" and at the same time they even do not grant the rights what US citizen nornmally have. Now out of that bunch many people prefer to go for permanent residency as permanent residency bring little bit stability in living and flexibility in employment and international travel. If one becomes a permanent resident of USA then also USA still only expects that person abide by the law of the land and do not involve in "anti USA" activity. It still does not expect "fidelity" towards USA in legal sense.There is no legal or social or political or any kind of pressure from USA or any governmental or non governmental institutes within USA on any particular person coming from other country to become its citizen. One can stay on permanent residency forever till death(At least based on current prevalent law) and legally work and s/he does not have to become a citizen for working legally. And I do not know about other countries but in India it is not considered "illegal" and/or "unpatriotic" to go in other country(Except Pakistan and Bangladesh) for legal work so coming to USA for legal work whether on work visa or becoming a permanent resident in USA while maintaining Indian citizenship simultaneously is not unpatriotic or illegal. Simultaneously USA's legal system allows an Indian to remain as citizen of India while residing in USA permanently for legal work.
Now if somebody decides to become a US citizen, there is nothing wrong in that. I do not see anything wrong when rsharma states that "I have decided to become US citizen in future". But if he is mature and human enough then his fidelity at this moment should be towards India (Assuming he is a citizen of India currently) as he is a citizen of India at this moment. Showing this kind of behaviour perhaps may not be a outright unpatriotic in terms of "Indianness" but it certanily signals probable but strong disloyality towards India.
And I do not think that USA citizens are that naive that they consider the people "not mingled" if citizen of other country do not call USA president a "My president" while holding the citizenship of other country.
If calling US president a "My President" by non citizens would be the barometer of "mixing" / "mingling" then USA would not be today's USA. So please do not kid USA and us .
Dude people like you are what irritates me. You guys want best of both countries without taking resposibility for either one. If your heart truly goes for "bharat maa" than why are you wasting your precious life serving American Corporations? your "bharat maa" is still 3rd world country and rift with many challanges that you could have worked upon to elivate it from. But you preffred to apply for GC and no where is it written that your getting GC would make "bharat maa" proud or rid her off her miseries.
Sorry, but I prefer to call a spade a spade. And I take side with country, that I might not be citizen of yet, but has given me what I could have never achieved in my life back in India. I am thankful to this country and look forward proudly to becoming citizen of USA.
So, God bless America !
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rajsenthil
10-02 10:58 AM
I heard that the rules were different before but as of this year, at least one of the parent of Indian origin need to be an US citizen to apply for OCI. Otherwise, the only option is PIO card.
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GCBy3000
07-19 11:17 PM
yeah conclude that every one in the IV had voted on this one. Total votes we have now is 314.
Rough Estimate:
500k EB applicants, 100K IV Visitors, 20K registered IV members, 1k one time contributors and less than 500 recurring contributors. Extending help to Core not even crossed 30.
Can we conclude every one in this form has completed their voting about this topic?
Rough Estimate:
500k EB applicants, 100K IV Visitors, 20K registered IV members, 1k one time contributors and less than 500 recurring contributors. Extending help to Core not even crossed 30.
Can we conclude every one in this form has completed their voting about this topic?
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vinodp1978
06-28 01:53 PM
This is wrong. EAD can be issued when both of the following conditions MUST meet:
I140 has been approved
I485 application is 180 days old
I140 has been approved
I485 application is 180 days old
485_se_dukhi
09-22 07:44 PM
In trying to play the "devil's advocate", you still did not answer my question. i.e. "Let me ask you a simple question. What CAN be the "perceived benefit" from a rally like this that would make you think that it would be worth attending? Is it something like a guarantee for a GC in 2 months or a bill that passes next month that does everything we legals want? What is it?"
i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........
I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?
unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.
You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.
if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??
Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.
My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).
Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me...
With all due respect, I do not think you have a clue as to what a 7 year wait can be like. Having received your GC in 7 months, now I understand where all this critiquing is coming from (without offering any solution of course).
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........
I'm still trying to understand your point...you do not want us to quote Gandhi, MLK or any others that could inspire and motivate us. You do not think a big rally will help. You do not think meeting lawmakers will help. As Walking_dude remarked before, so WHAT do YOU suggest we do?
unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
Can you give a few examples of these "drastic and dramatic measures" that will give us "concrete changes"? I'm sure we are all ears and will be willing to employ these.
You have such an active and analytical mind. Why not use it for something constructive like suggesting actual concrete steps that IV can take.
if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests..
Your point being....? That we should not request or discuss our issues with law makers? Or because of the Iraq war quagmire, Congress will not take any other decision or pass any other bill until that is resolved??
Lastly, you mentioned about your pet peeve
america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC.
My first reaction. You're kidding, right! Ever worked in marketing/sales?? When you go to sell your product or service, you try to sell it from the point of view of the customer. In this case, what the benefit can be from the point of view of the US govt and US economy. Yes, our primary aim is to get our GC's in a reasonable time frame. The slogans and messages are in support of these ( By the way both happen to be true).
Incidentally, even the spark in Gandhi was ignited when he personally was insulted and thrown from a train. My point being that it is only when we personally are affected by an issue that we react to it. The reaction ofcourse differs based on our own individual character, personality and other traits.
appreciate your comments - but as i said in my post clearly that I accept the probability that my views are wrong.....
""on the other hand if one day it so transpires that this rally was the historic starting point of major immigration reforms triggered by a group of pioneering individuals - i would have no choice but to eat my words and hang my head in shame that i did not attend.............""
But look at it this way......i already have my GC but i share the pain and frustration of folks who do not..if a 7 month wait process for me was frustrating - i can understand what a 7 year process would be to others like me....if people who are waiting saw the utility of the rally....there would have been more than 2,000 in DC.........but clearly they did not.......i was willing to give it a shot - but unfortunately could not and did not want to specifically postpone something else to make it to DC.......
People have been quoting Gandhi and his South Africa protests.........those were different times and different issues.........colonialism, racial discrimination etc.......if the american govt is non-responsive to the demand from 60% of its own citizens to withdraw from Iraq - how can we realistically expect it to react with super haste to our requests....besides gandhi had the courage to stand up to police brutality, get arrested etc.....in today's days and age - as white collared professionals - do we have the guts and will to do that? For example - we cannot even strike (non cooperation/ civil disobedience movement)....because we get paid by our respective private sector employers.....and our grudge is against the Govt - who do we strike against......?? and if we do strike or court arrest or adopt other forms of civil protest and by chance run up a police record in the process.......who would employ us in the future...in Gandhi's days - they did not have electronic background checks......!!
Another take - if US can have an endless source of temporary workers coming in, paying into income tax and social security taxes and medicare taxes for a few years......and going back without claiming a single dime of social benefits......its the best possible situation for US....a forever young, qualified, minimum wages (i.e prevailing wages) earning tax paying transient population supporting/ subsidizing an archaic and otherwise struggling social security and healthcare system.
another point people have been harping on (apologies for bringing this up but this is my only pet peeve amongst all the other wise great things that happen on this forum).......america's competitiveness and risk of reverse brain drain........personally - i think most people dont care two hoots about these issues - these messages and slogans are not out of a new found love for america but to create a nice "politically correct shield" for people's own private agendas (and the collective agenda of all of us) - to get a GC. Are we here to improve america's competitiveness (if that was the primary purpose of our coming here - shame on us for not staying back and improving our respective motherlands' competitiveness) or our own future - if the latter - lets call a spade a spade.........
so - whats the "so what" from my post? is it to critique what IV is doing - no! The "so what" is - unless there are drastic and dramatic measures - concrete changes are not possible........small procedural victories - maybe........drastic change.....no way!
just to take the "popular" Gandhian analogy a step further......There was Home Rule League and Congress in existence in India for a long time.....their objective was to petition the British Govt for small changes........and their ultimate goal was to get dominion status for india......only when Gandhi came on board plus supporters of other proactive forms of protest.....like Subhash Bose.....Tilak etc and the armed freedom struggle started (Bhagat Singh, Azad et al)......did Congress wake up and ask for "purna swaraj" (complete independence).......so from 1885 (founding of congress) to 1930 (Lahore Session of Congress when purna swaraj declaration was made) - nothing happened......british empire went from strength to strength.......then in 17 years - India got independence.......
pl think about what i wrote objectively......and dont jump on me just because i am playing devil's advocate
mihird
09-15 10:28 AM
Its very interesting to read about people�s different perspective about same thing we are all after.. lets ask ourselves.. honestly why we do want GC and I am sure we all would have multiple reasons for this in our subconscious but would not like to bring it to forefront because it would only undermine our own ability to fight it or make life more stressful.. but end of the day we all want this card.. for me I want it mainly for security and peace of mind�lets look at the different situations.. these might be extreme but we all might have thought about these situations atleast at some point in the recent past� .. and especially the people in the seventh year
1. You are in your seventh year� and you loose you job�.what is the first thought that comes to your mind.. I got to pack and leave .. pack your home of seven years and all your possessions you collected, in two suitcases of 50lbs each and leave�forget the Flat Screen TV,, forget all the electronics and the two cars you love ... just list them in craigslist �
2. You have home which you bought with so much pride�what do you do? ..List it.. make a desperate sale in this falling market.. loose a ton of money and leave�and don't even talk about all the silk plants..floor lamps.. the furnishing,, they are for the yard sale on the Saturday..
3. You have child whom you love and have plans for them.. love the school.. are an active member in the PTA � all of sudden what you do.. pull them out of school, move them from the only culture and the country they have known the only President they know is Bush and the only national anthem they have learnt is "The Star-Spangled Banner"�to another place where they don�t even understand the language forget the culture, national anthem etc..
4. Think about your spouse.. they have adopted themselves to this lifestyle.. probably felt lonely when you moved here 7 years but now like it.. its time for them to move back�why because your don�t have a GC
5. Forget the Golf and Tennis you enjoy so much here �it was all a very good dream..
1. You are educated.. have a masters, have a professional degree.. but have been in the same position and department because of your long wait for GC, what happens� the fresh college graduate or the dumb blond who joined two years back and whom you taught how to log into the network is now your peer and you are still on the same desk doing the same job getting the 2% raise and working even more hard..so that you can keep you job..with a new dumb boss.. who thinks you are so dumb that you have been in the same job for so long time..
2. All your batchmates are doing great..some of them are now sweating to be VP�s having risen by changing jobs �. You are still years away from that situation.. what do you do.. stop attending alumni meets and envy the mails in your yahoo groups from people..
3. Seven years in US.. you have made your professional contacts.. and have a social network.. in which you invested your time and effort.. loose your job in the seventh year.. and all these contacts are nothing but an occasional international long distance call in future..
Last but not the least� flight back home to your country is not going to be as smooth as the flight to US was seven years back.. back home look for a job..learn the whole new professional culture �and then set up a new home,,new school for kids�.why because we could not get a GC.. which was not in our control.. and because some stupid insane guy sitting in cave 10K miles away decided to terrorize the people in America in 2001.. and make life difficult for all the people..including people in H1...
We might all go back to our home country one day.. but the ride back home would be much more pleasant and happier of a choice we made and not because we did not get a GC�
Good Luck and lets keep up the effort... :)
First and foremost, if you lose a job, it doesn't matter what your immigration status, life is going to become difficult for you and your dependents.
I lost my job in the 7th year of H1 but since I had well researched and planned for that scenerio before entering into the 7th year, I am still here in a new job with an anticipated 3 year extension from 2007-2010.
If a lobor from your previous job has been pending for more than 365 days, you are able to port the benefit of the 7+ year extensions to the new job. This will let you survive the 7th year job loss.
Likewise there is a "best possible" solution to all the hardships that you have listed above and that "best possible" solution will vary from person to person and hardship to hardship.
Life takes planning, no matter what your immigration status.
My friend who is an EB GC holder just sold his house and took a $40000 loss. Bad planning on his part. Purchased the house at the wrong time and sold it at the wrong time too.
Since he sold his house, he is forced to move and so his kids schooling is distrubed too.
Its been 3 months he has moved to his apartment and his other half doesn't like the apartment lifestyle after having lived in a house for a year.
Did his GC help in all this???
Compare that to me, I am not a GC holder.
I am sitting on $240,000 equity in my house for which I have no plans to sell.
I too was forced to move due to a recent 7th year H1 job loss, and miss my boating trips to the lake near my old house. My new job is a 100 miles away from my house so I decided to do weekend commutes to the old house, and still manage to hit the lake every weekend.
My better half also didn't want to move in an apartment due to my new job. Good enough, we leveraged the equity in our 1st house & higher income from the new job to buy a 2nd house near the new job site.
Did my not having the GC hurt???
GC or H1 didn't matter, good planning is what has helped me, and bad planning is what doomed my friend...
1. You are in your seventh year� and you loose you job�.what is the first thought that comes to your mind.. I got to pack and leave .. pack your home of seven years and all your possessions you collected, in two suitcases of 50lbs each and leave�forget the Flat Screen TV,, forget all the electronics and the two cars you love ... just list them in craigslist �
2. You have home which you bought with so much pride�what do you do? ..List it.. make a desperate sale in this falling market.. loose a ton of money and leave�and don't even talk about all the silk plants..floor lamps.. the furnishing,, they are for the yard sale on the Saturday..
3. You have child whom you love and have plans for them.. love the school.. are an active member in the PTA � all of sudden what you do.. pull them out of school, move them from the only culture and the country they have known the only President they know is Bush and the only national anthem they have learnt is "The Star-Spangled Banner"�to another place where they don�t even understand the language forget the culture, national anthem etc..
4. Think about your spouse.. they have adopted themselves to this lifestyle.. probably felt lonely when you moved here 7 years but now like it.. its time for them to move back�why because your don�t have a GC
5. Forget the Golf and Tennis you enjoy so much here �it was all a very good dream..
1. You are educated.. have a masters, have a professional degree.. but have been in the same position and department because of your long wait for GC, what happens� the fresh college graduate or the dumb blond who joined two years back and whom you taught how to log into the network is now your peer and you are still on the same desk doing the same job getting the 2% raise and working even more hard..so that you can keep you job..with a new dumb boss.. who thinks you are so dumb that you have been in the same job for so long time..
2. All your batchmates are doing great..some of them are now sweating to be VP�s having risen by changing jobs �. You are still years away from that situation.. what do you do.. stop attending alumni meets and envy the mails in your yahoo groups from people..
3. Seven years in US.. you have made your professional contacts.. and have a social network.. in which you invested your time and effort.. loose your job in the seventh year.. and all these contacts are nothing but an occasional international long distance call in future..
Last but not the least� flight back home to your country is not going to be as smooth as the flight to US was seven years back.. back home look for a job..learn the whole new professional culture �and then set up a new home,,new school for kids�.why because we could not get a GC.. which was not in our control.. and because some stupid insane guy sitting in cave 10K miles away decided to terrorize the people in America in 2001.. and make life difficult for all the people..including people in H1...
We might all go back to our home country one day.. but the ride back home would be much more pleasant and happier of a choice we made and not because we did not get a GC�
Good Luck and lets keep up the effort... :)
First and foremost, if you lose a job, it doesn't matter what your immigration status, life is going to become difficult for you and your dependents.
I lost my job in the 7th year of H1 but since I had well researched and planned for that scenerio before entering into the 7th year, I am still here in a new job with an anticipated 3 year extension from 2007-2010.
If a lobor from your previous job has been pending for more than 365 days, you are able to port the benefit of the 7+ year extensions to the new job. This will let you survive the 7th year job loss.
Likewise there is a "best possible" solution to all the hardships that you have listed above and that "best possible" solution will vary from person to person and hardship to hardship.
Life takes planning, no matter what your immigration status.
My friend who is an EB GC holder just sold his house and took a $40000 loss. Bad planning on his part. Purchased the house at the wrong time and sold it at the wrong time too.
Since he sold his house, he is forced to move and so his kids schooling is distrubed too.
Its been 3 months he has moved to his apartment and his other half doesn't like the apartment lifestyle after having lived in a house for a year.
Did his GC help in all this???
Compare that to me, I am not a GC holder.
I am sitting on $240,000 equity in my house for which I have no plans to sell.
I too was forced to move due to a recent 7th year H1 job loss, and miss my boating trips to the lake near my old house. My new job is a 100 miles away from my house so I decided to do weekend commutes to the old house, and still manage to hit the lake every weekend.
My better half also didn't want to move in an apartment due to my new job. Good enough, we leveraged the equity in our 1st house & higher income from the new job to buy a 2nd house near the new job site.
Did my not having the GC hurt???
GC or H1 didn't matter, good planning is what has helped me, and bad planning is what doomed my friend...
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